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« on: October 26, 2011, 04:18:50 PM »

CHAPTER 40
ISLAM,
ONLY TRUE RELIGION OF GOD


Is there a true religion?
By Dallas M. Roark, Ph.D.

If the discussion of a true religion is to be meaningful, it must have an objective starting point. In a sense it must parallel the scientific method. We cannot start with a given factor. The starting point must be one that all people can have and assume. It cannot be from the standpoint of a particular holy book. It is useless for the Christian to quote the Bible to a Muslim, or a Buddhist when one or both reject the Bible as authoritative. If we are to deal with the question of a true religion we have to begin before the books are used. We cannot start with the presupposition that one religion is better than another. Ravi Zacharias has said that it is more probable that all religions are false than that all religions are true. There are too many contradictions between religious systems. In the age of political correctness it seems the polite things to say that are religions are very similar and all have the same goal in mind. Only people who don’t know what it is all about are inclined to say this.

Blaise Pascal, the French scientific and religious genius of the seventeenth century proposed a beginning point for discussing the issue of a true religion that may be common to all people.

Pascal attempted to put forth certain propositions, based in part on observation and in part on reason, which would help one to discover the true religion if it existed. Although Pascal never finished his proposed work, his fragmented thoughts (Pensées) have become one of the classics of world literature. Pascal's approach has a feature common to all men: each man may look, observe, and draw conclusions from where he is. It is really an inductive method. Pascal maintains that for a religion to be true, it must give an adequate and satisfactory answer to the following criteria.

1. The true religion teaches the hiddenness of God: It is quite evident that if God is, he is not perceived by sensory perception. God is not an object that has been analyzed in the laboratory. If God exists, he exists in some hidden state or form; for we cannot see him. Concerning this, Pascal wrote, "God being thus hidden every religion which does not affirm that God is hidden is not true and every religion which does not give the reason of it, is not instructive." The hiddenness of God, or to use the Latin phrase, Deus absconditus, is a basic beginning point for dialogue among religious traditions.

This is a common truth that all can agree on. The Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Christian, Jew, and whoever else, cannot see God. We can turn to the applications.

In applying this principle, one may begin with pantheistic religious systems. A popular definition of pantheism is that "all things or beings are modes, attributes, or appearances of one single reality of Being; hence nature and God are believed to be identical."

Man as the observer cannot conclude from his examination of reality that nature and God are identical. To be a pantheist, one must bring something with his observation; namely, the faith that God and Nature are one. He will not get this out of nature alone. Pantheism applied to man's existence means that man is part of the divine essence. Man is a spark of divinity. But again, this is not something we know by observation, by sight, touch, or self-knowledge. It may be the grossest perversion of self-knowledge. All that the senses will approve are two alternatives: God is hidden, or God is not!

Pantheisms are dangerous because man is led to have an overly optimistic view concerning his own nature. Pantheism is caught up in trying to explain evil away or as an illusion, or false thinking, otherwise it is logically blamed on God because God is everything and evil would be part of his nature. Kraemer charges that the result of pantheism as in parts of Hinduism, is "that God or the divine never really exists." The only thing that one really experiences is human consciousness which is regarded as a mirage at best. But paradoxically, those religions which identify man with God in some pantheistic form are those that stand in abhorrence of a true incarnation, in which God assumes human flesh.

In a different way, this principle of Pascal is seen in the classical teachings of Buddha and Confucius as we know them. Neither of these founders was interested in discussing the existence of God. For all practical purposes, Gautama and Confucius were non-theists. In due time, not only were the founders apotheosized or elevated to godhood, but other gods were added. Gautama cannot be said to have received a "divine revelation." What happened was that he came to see a basic truth about the nature of suffering, the reason for it, and the possibility of escaping from it. It is an insight about the way to happiness if one views happiness as the escape from desire. However, it has been observed that even the desire to rid oneself of desire is desire.

Confucius taught nothing more than an ancient form of humanism. He declared that "absorption in the study of the supernatural is most harmful." In true humanist style, Confucius "explained evil as human selfishness, delusion and incapability. When a pupil asked him about death and service of the spirits, he replied, "Till you have learnt to serve men, how can you serve the ghosts? ... Till you know about the living, how are you to know about the dead?"

The irony is that both Gautama and Confucius, who had little to say about whether God exists or not, were declared to be gods by their later followers.

In the case of Islam, the deity is hidden but there is no explanation as to why he is hidden, which relates to the second part of Pascal's proposition. The Qur'an does not know of the holy God who has hidden himself because of man's sinfulness. Islam is a moralistic, rationalistic form of religion emphasizing the works of righteousness as a means of acceptability before God. Kraemer says that it is a "legalistic religion in which everything hangs upon the efforts of the believer and on whether he fulfills the requirements of the Divine Law. Thus it is, so to say, a religion permeated by a form — a somewhat inflected form — of self-deliverance, self-justification and self-sanctification with, in the end, no firm and settled basis for it."

The hiddenness of God demands that a radically new concept of God be in evidence as the explanation. The concept of God must not be a construction of human thought, for man cannot ferret out that which is hidden as the hidden relates to God. If we are to know the reason that God is hidden it cannot be found out from the human mind. The answer must come from the hidden God. This can only be possible with the idea of revelation. Since Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, and Taoism do not claim revelation there is no word from the hidden God. In the case of Buddhism and Hinduism there is meditation, not revelation.

There is a place where the reason for God's hiddenness is revealed. Leviticus 11:45 "For I am the Lord who brought you out of the land of Egypt so that I could be your God. You must be holy for I am holy." Holiness required separation from the sins of the pagans and idolaters around them. It required personal moral purity in life and when the people of Israel continued to rebel against God, he withdrew from them and brought them to judgement for their sins. Jeremiah wrote, "Your own evil will punish you, and your turning from me will condemn you. You will learn how bitter and wrong it is to abandon me, the Lord your God." (2:19) "Your sins have kept these good things from you." (5:25) The summation of this is described in the book of Romans where God gave them up to go their own way to their own self-destruction.

The concept of Deus absconditus (or the hidden God) is closely related with the reason for its hiddenness. For Pascal the explanation of God's hiddenness is in man's sin. Where sin is not taken seriously, identification of man with the divine comes easy. Where sin is a grave, serious act against the divine, an ethical act and an ethical deviation, then it is not possible to identify man with God. The qualitative difference between God and man must be stressed. For the most part, the religious traditions of the world fail to take seriously the concept of sin. Brunner declares, "The counterpart of unhistorical religion, religion without a mediator, is the failure to recognize the radical character of the guilt of sin. It is an attempt to create a relationship with God which takes no account of the fact of guilt."

In the concept of the hidden God, one cannot conclude from observation that God is holy or that he is love. This is a message that has to come from God to man; it has not originated with man.

"The message that God is Love is something wholly new in the world. We perceive this if we try to apply the statement to the divinities of the various religions of the world: Wotan is Love, Zeus, Jupiter, Brahma, Ahura Mazda, Vishnu, Allah, is Love. All these combinations are wholly impossible. Even the God of Plato, who is the principle of all Good, is not Love. Plato would have met the statement 'God is Love' with a bewildered shake of the head."

Brunner continues to say that it is possible to find a "gracious" God in some of the religions of the world, "but the fact that God is Love, and thus that love is the very essence of the Nature of God, is never explicitly said anywhere, and still less is it revealed in divine self-surrender. The God of the Bhakti religion, which is often regarded as parallel to the Christian Faith, is ‘essentially — in his relation to the World — wholly uninterested.’"

In conclusion to this section, we must affirm the hiddenness of God. If God is thus hidden, we must know the reason for it. This means that if we are to know of God and what he is like, this knowledge will not be found in any other way than for God to speak. Because God is hidden, we must reject those approaches to religious life that equate man with God. If God is hidden, the reason for his hiddenness will be given by God and will not be discoverable by man alone. A crucial question that enters here is: Has God spoken in a clear way concerning these things? This will be answered later.

2. The true religion must explain the misery of man: Pascal wrote, "That a religion may be true, it must have knowledge of our nature. It ought to know its greatness and littleness, and the reason of both." (Pensées 433) In Pensées 493, he wrote, "The true religion teaches our duties; our weaknesses, our pride, and lust; and the remedies, humility, and mortification." Pascal's insight into the nature of man is one that can naturally grow out of an inductive observation. He wrote of man, "What a novelty! What a monster, what a chaos, what a contradiction, what a prodigy! Judge of all things, imbecile worm of the earth; depositary of truth, a sink of uncertainty and error; the pride and refuse of the universe!" (Pensées 434, p. 143)

The history of man gives plenty of evidence that there is something wrong with man. Why the wars, murders, intrigues, plotting, hating, exploiting, and the greed of man? What explanation can we give for the wrongs that people do to one another? Why is there infighting in families, communities, tribes and nations? Why are past evils passed on to new generations as though they had happened to them? Someone has said that if the doctrine of original sin had not been known it would have to be invented. There is something radically wrong with mankind.
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 04:20:50 PM »

What best accounts for the misery of man? Pascal's answer is found in the meaningful little word "sin." We have said that sin as a concept is lacking in much of the religious thought of the world. Misunderstanding can arise here if we are not careful. In many religions, depending upon their orientation, sin is not understood in ethical terms. Sin is a nonethical impediment, or an erroneous way of thinking that keeps one from achieving union with the world soul. In the thought of Hindus, for example, sin would be the continuing erroneous thought about the actual existence of individuality. This sin is not ethical but a matter of wrong knowledge. In this sense, sin may be defined as maya, or illusion. A similar situation prevails in Christian Science in America. Sin is erroneous thinking.

With reference to sin, as seen in certain forms of Hindu bhakti, Kraemer declares, "Sin in these religions is not the result of self-centered and misdirected human will that opposes the will of the God of holiness and righteousness, but an impediment for the realization of that fellowship of the soul with Ishvara, in which salvation consists."

As one probes more deeply into the real nature of religious expression, one sees that sin is generally regarded as really insignificant and many religions are really means of "self-redemption, self-justification, and self-sanctification" — concepts that basically ignore sin.

Following the clue of Pascal, one may conclude that there is only one adequate concept to explain the misery of man as one can observe man's problems, and that is sin as a willful rebellion against a holy God. The sinfulness of man has caused man to pervert his religious worship. He has turned from the Creator to the creatures and reveres a cow or other animals, while his children starve from protein deficiency. He has taken food from his starving babies to give to an idol that does not consume it. His famine is not due to his ignorance of modern technology alone; his religion, with its inadequate definition of and emphasis on sin, can explain much of his misery. There is a lot of bad religion in the world as well as good.

In concluding this section, we must say that these two propositions go together. A serious definition of sin is the explanation of why God is hidden. He is hidden in his relationship to men for two reasons: first, he is holy, and his nature is against the whole fabric of sin; second, his hiddenness is for man's protection. If the holiness of God were revealed against man in his sin, he could not survive. His grace and love toward man provides the reason for his withdrawing himself from man's presence. Because he is hidden we can only know about sin against Him by his revealing that to mankind.

3. The true religion must teach how man can know God who is hidden, or give the remedy for his alienation and misery: Pascal declared, "The true religion, then, must teach us to worship Him only, and to love Him only. But we find ourselves unable to worship what we know not, and to love any other object but ourselves, the religion which instructs us in these duties must instruct us also of this inability, and teach us also the remedies for it." (Pensées 489)

In Pensées 546, [Pascal] said, "We know God only by Jesus Christ. Without this mediator all communion with God is taken away: through Jesus Christ we know God. ... In Him then, and through Him, we know God. Apart from Him, and without the Scripture, without original sin, without a necessary mediator promised, and come, we cannot absolutely prove God, nor teach right doctrine and right morality. ... Jesus Christ is then the true God of man. But we know at the same time our wretchedness; for this God is none other than the Saviour of our wretchedness. So we can only know God well by knowing our iniquities."

In Pensées 555, he wrote, "All who seek God without Jesus Christ, and who rest in nature, either find no light to satisfy them, or come to form for themselves a means of knowing God and serving Him without a mediator."

The basic idea involved here is the necessity of a mediator. Men in their religious traditions often either ignore the existence of God, or make religion a way of life and human achievement to "buy" God off, or assume that one can enter into communion with God by some mystical experience that ignores God's holiness. In all of these attempts to enter into a relationship with God, the first two propositions are ignored. God does not need man's proud religious activities, nor will he be united in mystical experience with presumptuous, sinful men. The god who accepts such is not a holy god.

However, if God is truly hidden as is true to observation and experience, then it is impossible for men to find him by searching. God must come to man but God has no basic reason for the Incarnation. Man in his wretchedness and sin cannot enter into the presence of a holy God.

The necessity of a mediator is pointed out by Soren Kierkegaard in his little book Philosophical Fragments. He told the story of a king who fell in love with a humble maiden. He was a mighty king; every nation feared his wrath. But the king was anxious, like all men, when it came to getting the right girl to be his wife. The thought that entered his kingly mind was this: Would she be able to summon confidence enough never to remember what the king wished, only to forget that he was a king and that she was a humble maiden? The king was anxious lest she reflect upon this and let it rob her of happiness. If the marriage was unequal, the beauty of their love would be lost.

A number of alternatives could be suggested to the king. First, he could elevate the maiden to his side and forget the inequality. But there was always the possible thought coming into the maiden's heart that after all she was a commoner and he was a king. Such a marriage could be consummated, but love would never be maintained on a basis of equality.

Second, as an alternative, should someone suggest that the king could reveal himself to her in all his majesty, pomp, and glory and she would fall down and worship him and be humbled by the fact that so great a favor was being bestowed upon her. To this the king would undoubtedly demand the execution of the person suggesting this as high treason against his beloved. The king could not enter into a relationship such as this. Such was the kingly dilemma. (There are so many religious cultures today in which people are forced into submission. Such forced worship is an insult to the being that is worshiped.)

The solution comes in the third alternative. The king should descend and thereby give up his throne to become a commoner for the purpose of loving the maiden as an equal.

Kierkegaard applies this story to the relation of God with man. God could have elevated man into his presence and transfigured him to fill his life with joy for eternity. But the king, knowing the human heart, would not stand for this, for it would end only in self-deception. To this Soren Kierkegaard says, "No one is so terribly deceived as he who does not suspect it." On the other hand, God could have brought about worship from man, "causing him to forget himself over divine apparition." Such a procedure would not have pleased man, nor would it have pleased the king, "who desired not his own glorification but the maiden's." This is an impossible alternative because of God's holiness.

Regarding this, Soren Kierkegaard said, "There once lived a people who had a profound understanding of the divine. This people thought that no man could see God and live — Who grasps this contradiction of sorrow: not to reveal oneself is the death of love, to reveal oneself is the death of the beloved!" The holiness of God revealed to sinful man would have meant his destruction. It is for this reason that God is hidden.

The third alternative for bringing reconciliation or union between God and man is the same as for the king. "Since we have found that the union could not be brought about by the elevation it must be attempted by a descent. ... In order that the union may be brought about, God must therefore become the equal of such a one and so he will appear in the lives of the humblest but the humblest is one who must serve others and God will therefore appear in the form of a servant."

In Jesus we have the God-man walking the shores of Galilee, healing the sick, raising the dead, preaching the good news of the Kingdom of God, and ultimately rising Himself from death.

Both Kierkegaard and Pascal support the idea that only Christianity offers a mediator. Gautama, Confucius, Muhammad, and others made no claim to being anything more than men with religious insight.

Before concluding this section, a reference should be made to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Judaism is to be regarded as a "true religion" only as far as it goes, or is true to itself. The last of the Old Testament prophets appeared in John the Baptist calling Israel to a decision. With John the Baptist, the Old Testament sees itself coming to fulfillment. The Old Testament speaks of a coming Messiah, with many references beginning in Genesis, Deuteronomy, and the many references in the prophetic books. Isaiah gives very graphic pictures of the future king. A virgin shall give birth and the child shall be called Immanuel. (7:14) Isaiah 9:6-7 describes "A child has been born for us. We have been given a son who will be our ruler. His names will be Wonderful Advisor and Mighty God, Eternal Father and Prince of Peace. His power will never end; peace will last forever. He will rule David's kingdom and make it grow strong. He will always rule with honesty and justice. The LORD All-Powerful will make certain that all of this is done."
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2011, 04:21:28 PM »

Isaiah 11 gives a promising future to David’s kingdom like a branch sprouting from a stump. "The Spirit of the LORD will be with him to give him understanding, wisdom, and insight. He will be powerful, and he will know and honor the LORD." Micah 5:2 gives the birth home of the coming ruler of Israel, Bethlehem. Jeremiah enlarges on the hope especially when the kingdom was falling in his day. He declared God’s promise: "The Spirit of the LORD will be with him to give him understanding, wisdom, and insight. He will be powerful, and he will know and honor the LORD." (23:5) Later God says I will break the yokes that keep you in slavery and "I will choose a king for you from the family of David." (30:9)

Ezekiel promises a future after their present judgment in which God says, "I will give you a shepherd from the family of my servant King David." (34:23) In a different motif there are a number of passages in Isaiah focusing on the servant of Yahweh. Most prominent is Isaiah 52:13-53:12 concerning the suffering servant.

There are many other passages in the background of Israel in the days of Jesus in which hopes were evident for a messiah. The Messiah did not appear out of thin air without any basis. The early disciples of Jesus saw in him the fulfillment of these promises.

The prophet John the Baptist declared Jesus to be the fulfillment of the ancient prophecies. It is questionable whether Judaism can be regarded as a continuation of the Old Testament religion, especially since the authoritative influence of the Talmud has shaped post-biblical religious life. The Talmud embodies the way of thinking which Jesus criticized that the oral tradition had superceded the written Torah.

Islam poses a particular problem with reference to Christianity and the matter of being the final successor to Judaism and Christianity. Islam claims that it stands in the line of the prophets and the biblical revelation of Judaism and Christianity. But is this so? Can we equate Allah with Yahweh of the Old Testament? The Muslims make this claim. But consider the following.

First, who is Allah? When Mohammed preached to the Meccans he did not introduce a new god, but proclaimed that one of their many gods, Allah, was the greatest and only god. The Meccans did not accuse Mohammed of preaching a different god than they knew. He demanded that they believe in one god, not many as were accepted before. It is yet an unsettled controversy in that there are thinkers who speak of Allah as the moon-god as represented by the symbol of the crescent, the symbol of Islam. The crescent moon is on mosques and minarets, is found on the flags of Islamic nations and the month of Ramadan begins and ends the fast with the appearance of the crescent moon. Only time will tell how this controversy will play out.

Second, Muslims claim that the Old and New Testament have been corrupted by Jews and Christians to thwart the claim of Muslims that he was prophesied in the Bible. This is unbelievable! There are many manuscripts that pre-date Mohammed’s time. The Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, and others date before the birth of Mohammed. There are other versions that existed before the rise of Islam, ie., Syriac, Old Syriac, Armenian, Ethiopic, The Peshitta, and the Vulgate in the Latin. It is a crock that Muslims would argue that the Scriptures have been corrupted by the Jews and Christians.

It is interesting that Mohammed regarded the Scriptures as reliable contrary to later Muslim writers. Mohammed asked the Jews to check the Old Testament to see if his name was mentioned there. The Qur'an says, about Jesus, "God shall teach him the scripture, and wisdom, and the law and the gospel..." If the Qur'an and Mohammed regarded the Bible as reliable, then the Muslims have a problem. If the Qur'an is right on this point, then the Bible is right also. If the Bible is correct, the Muslim ideology cannot be in harmony with the Bible.

Third, the character of Mohammed is unlike any prophet in the Bible. Many of his claims to revelation are self-serving. Mohammed's claim that Muslims could have only four wives while he can have any woman he wanted is self-serving. Mohammed could not stand ridicule and that is why he put to death a Meccan woman who wrote satirical poetry against him. The commands to kill the infidels, those who rejected him, makes Mohammed a man of war, not peace, Mohammed led his forces in about 18 battles and planned about 38 others. The history of Islam beginning with Mohammed is a history of war, conquest, greed, and tyranny. Islam does not allow freedom of religious expression. It does not understand, or acknowledge that forced worship, coercive worship is not real worship at all. Forced worship would only please the Devil, not Yahweh.

We cannot conclude that the god of Islam is the same as Yahweh of the Old Testament who becomes Incarnate in Jesus of Nazareth to redeem mankind. This finality in Christ eliminates any other coming prophet such as Muhammad. The epistle of Hebrews speaks with finality about God's last word, his highest word, coming in his Son. Islam cannot therefore be regarded as an extension, culmination, or completion of the Judeo-Christian tradition. While there are prophets mentioned in the New Testament they were in agreement with the Christian Gospel and did not seek to supersede the New Testament revelation or claim a different revelation. (Mt. 23:34; Acts 11:27-29; 13:2-3; 15:32;21:9-11; 1 Cor. 12:28-29; Eph. 2:20; 3:5;4:11, for example)

The Uniqueness of Christ

Pursuing the line of Pascal's argument, one may conclude that Christianity alone gives the best answer to the three questions: Why is God hidden? Why is man in misery? How can man know God? If we can say that Jesus Christ is the mediator, then there are some things about his person that are important. In these he was unique as a founder, as opposed to other founders.

The Incarnation is a necessity for the act of redemption. Human experience has shown, when viewed honestly, that man is incapable of redeeming himself. Anything less than God as Redeemer is to make a mockery of the idea. P. T. Forsyth once said, in stressing the place of the Incarnation, "A half-god cannot redeem what it took a whole God to make." Nowhere in the other living religions of the world is there a claim on the part of a founder that he was the Son of God in the unique sense of the word. This claim remains alone to Jesus Christ.

It is sometimes argued that the Christian faith is unique in relation to the sublime sayings of Jesus. This proves nothing. It has been shown by Claude Montefiore, the Jewish scholar, that Jesus said little that was new and different from the thought of Judaism but he spoke with authority unlike the rabbis who quoted the traditions. The only thing that he found that was quite distinctive was the picture of the Divine Shepherd going out into the wilderness to seek a lost sheep. This is only a fragment of the truth of the uniqueness of Christian faith. The uniqueness of Jesus is not in what he said but in who he was, what he did, and where he went. The founders of the world religions proposed ways of self-deliverance, self-sanctification, and self-realization. Jesus Christ, on the other hand, did for man something man could not do for himself. It is for this reason that there is a gospel, a good news, and it is the news of something that happened in Jerusalem at a given point in history. The event that took place was redemption of man in the person of Jesus Christ. His life, death, and resurrection are the redemptive events. He alone gave his life as an atonement for alienated mankind. No other founder of a religion gave his life for mankind, you and me.

There is only one statement that has to be made concerning all the founders of the living religions: they died and were buried! The stories of their lives end there. The word concerning Christ is different. He came forth from the grave, was raised up, and ascended to the Father. Without the resurrection, one could only conclude that Jesus was a great teacher, perhaps a second Moses, but with the resurrection he is declared to be the Son of God. On this Barth says:

"The knowledge which the Apostles acquired on the basis of Christ's Resurrection, the conclusion of which is the Ascension of Christ, is essentially this basic knowledge that the reconciliation which took place in Jesus Christ is not some casual story, but that in this work of God's grace we have to do with the word of God's omnipotence, that here an ultimate and supreme thing comes into action, behind which there is no other reality."

While it is evident that one cannot become a Christian on a purely reasonable basis, Christian faith alone gives adequate answers to the questions of the mind concerning the facts of observation and existence. The founder of the Christian faith possesses a uniqueness that cannot be duplicated or rivaled in the founders of other religions. We conclude with Pascal that "the knowledge of God without that of man's misery causes pride. The knowledge of man's misery without that of God causes despair. The knowledge of Jesus Christ constitutes the middle course, because in Him we find both God and (the answers to) our misery." (Pensées 526)

Pascal's line of thought points out the importance of the original insight of the founder of the religion. Talmudic Judaism is so legalistic that one can hardly recognize its relation to the Torah. Buddhism is fragmented into two great divisions with lots of sub-divisions and Mahayana Buddhism has little relation to the simplicity of Gautama's insight. In the Christian tradition the concept of development in the Catholic tradition seems far removed from the early church as described in the New Testament. Where individuals and movements have deviated from the pattern as set forth in the Scriptures they stand under the criticism of the Founder, Jesus Christ. There is no justification for development away from the person of Jesus Christ.

The Exclusiveness of the Gospel

Pascal's propositions can lead to the conclusion that Christian faith alone gives the best answers to the observable experience of man. At the same time, the New Testament is written on the assumption that the final revelation of God has taken place. In contrast to Judaism and the Old Testament, the revelation of God in his Son is declared to be the greatest expression of Himself to man (Hebrews 1:1-3). Jesus Christ is said to be a better mediator of the covenant than Moses (Heb. 9:15), a better high priest than Melchizedek (Heb. 7:1-28), and a better sacrifice than that offered by the Levitical priesthood (Heb. 8-9). These references imply the completion or fulfillment of Judaism.

In the preaching of Paul to the townspeople of Athens, he declared the Creator who has been the unknown God among heathen people. All other representations in gold, silver, and stone are due to man's corrupt way of thinking (Acts 17:29). The preaching of Peter in Jerusalem was to the intent that "there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) The New Testament viewpoint is identical in exclusiveness with that of Isaiah (45:21-22): "There is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me. Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other."

Not only is there an exclusive viewpoint expressed in the New Testament, but other religions are "forms" denying the power of godliness. (2 Tim. 3:5) Originators of new religions or religious concepts apart from the apostolic gospel are compared to gangrene eating away the true flesh (2 Tim. 2:17). The followers of such "strange new religions" are foretold in1 Timothy 4:1-2. Anything contrary to Christ is anathema. (Col. 2:8; Gal. 1:8)

It is very obvious that Christianity does make exclusive claims to being the only right way of knowing God. One may not like it or agree with it, but the claim is there. A man of Christian faith may not like it, but he is not at liberty to change it for the sake of sentimentality. We may not like the law of gravity on occasions, but there are certain facts that we cannot change by nature of the universe.

With an exclusive attitude on the one hand and different religious viewpoints on the other, what is one to say to it all? Can we conclude with Schleiermacher that there is an "essence of religion" which is common to all religions and which manifests itself in different forms? Or is Brunner correct in saying, "It is impossible to be a Christian — in the New Testament sense — and at the same time to accept the view that there is a universal ‘essence of religion’ of which Christianity has a predominant share. The Christian revelation and these 'relative' theories of religion are mutually exclusive."
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3:85 And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.

5:3This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favour to you and chosen for you Islam as a religion.

61:9 He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth that He may make it prevail over all religions, though the polytheists are averse.

48:28 He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth that He may make it prevail over all religions. And Allah is enough for a witness.
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14: Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.

15: And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

16: And the people answered and said, God forbid that we should forsake the LORD, to serve other gods;

17: For the LORD our God, he it is that brought us up and our fathers out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and which did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the people through whom we passed:

18: And the LORD drave out from before us all the people, even the Amorites which dwelt in the land: therefore will we also serve the LORD; for he is our God.

19: And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.

20: If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good.

21: And the people said unto Joshua, Nay; but we will serve the LORD.

22: And Joshua said unto the people, Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve him. And they said, We are witnesses.

23: Now therefore put away, said he, the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD God of Israel.

24: And the people said unto Joshua, The LORD our God will we serve, and his voice will we obey.
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"You believe that there is one God; you do well." James 2:19

THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD

The Holy Bible, which is the inspired Word of God that never has been nor ever will be changed, testifies that there is only one God. It is a well-known fact that the Bible is the oldest book in existence. Thus, if any other book is found that testifies that God is one, the Bible has preceded it in asserting this fact. The following are some quotations from the Bible concerning the fact that God is one.

From the Old Testament:

•"Know therefore this day, and consider it in your heart, that the LORD Himself is God in heaven above, and on the earth beneath: there is no other." (Deuteronomy 4:39 NKJV)
•"I am the LORD, and there is no other, there is no God beside Me." (Isaiah 45:5)
•"Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?" (Malachi 2:10)
•"Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the LORD is one! You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength." (Deuteronomy 6:4,5)

From the New Testament:

•"It is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’" (Matthew 4:10)
•"There is one God; and there is no other but He." (Mark 12:32)
•"You believe that there is one God; you do well." (James 2:19)
•"Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one." (Galatians 3:20)
•"For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and men." (1 Timothy 2:5)

THE MEANING OF GOD'S ONENESS

It is obvious that God's oneness differs from man's oneness. Man's oneness makes him limited. Thus it is not possible for one man to be in two places at the same time. But God can be on His throne in heaven and, at the same time, be here on this earth. This is neither impossible nor difficult for God. And we do not mean that part of Him is in heaven while the other part is on the earth. We mean that God, in all His glory, can be on His throne in heaven and at the same time be here on this earth.

This is exactly what happened when Christ came to this earth. The Bible states clearly that in Christ "dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9). This is what we call the Incarnation. We have heard of great men and kings who wore poor people's clothes and went to visit the poor in their homes without taking servants with them in order not to frighten the poor, and in order to see their needs and to help them. We admire such great men, and praise them for their humility and nobility. The greater the person, the greater is his nobility in humbling himself.

But who is the greatest of all? Is it not God Almighty? And who is the most noble? Is it not He who created them all? To sum up then, we assert, and God unequivocally declares, that "God is one!" But His oneness is not the same as man's oneness, because God is not limited. And the human mind cannot fathom the depth of what deity is. It therefore suits man to stand in awe when he considers what God revealed about Himself.

WHAT GOD REVEALED

Man cannot truly know about God except through divine revelation. It is not possible for the finite human mind to understand the nature of the infinite God. Therefore, it was necessary that God reveal Himself to us through divinely inspired writings, and that He protect and guard them from any attempt to change even one word or one letter. It is certain that God's Word abides forever, as the prophet had said long ago: "Forever, O Lord, your word is settled in heaven" (Psalm 119:89). And the New Testament declares that "The word of God ... lives and abides forever" (1 Peter 1:23).

THE NATURE OF THE GODHEAD

Before Christ ascended to heaven, He commanded His disciples saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:18,19). Notice that He did not say to them, "in the names of the Father and the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." He said, "in the name" because it is one name—the glorious name of the one and only true and living God.

But someone might object and say, "How can that be? How can three be one?" This objection rises from the great error in trying to apply the rules of physics and mathematics to the Godhead. Herein lies the mistake and the cause of the perplexity. The Almighty God, who created nature and imposed on it rules of mathematics and other natural laws, is Himself not under such laws. We cannot, and should not, apply the laws of created material to spiritual issues.

FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT: ONE GOD

Clearly then, the Holy Bible teaches us that there is only one God. Now let's consider how that agrees with the mention of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in seven places in the Bible.

1."Baptizing them in the name (not names) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19). It is one name of one God as we have seen.

2.Of true believers, who have received Christ in their hearts and thus were born again by a new spiritual birth. Christ said: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to me is greater than all, and no man is able to snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and My Father are one" (John 10:27-30).

3."Philip said to Him, ‘Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? ... He who has seen Me has seen the Father ... I am in the Father, and the Father in Me ... the Father who dwells in Me does the works’" (John 14:8-10).

4."But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of Christ dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His"—meaning, he does not belong to Christ (Romans 8:9). Thus the Holy Spirit of God is also called the Spirit of Christ because of the oneness of God.

5."But as it is written: ‘Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heat of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.’ But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit ... which things we also speak ... which the Holy Spirit teaches" (1 Corinthians 2:9-13). Thus the Holy Spirit is spoken of as the Spirit of God repeatedly through the Word of God.

6."But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit? ... you have not lied unto men but unto God’" (Acts 5:3,4). Thus we see that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God because the Holy Spirit is God and is one with the Father and Son.

7.Jesus said, "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you" (Matthew 12:28). Thus we see that the Son is in the Father, and the Father is in the Son. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and He is the Spirit of Christ. There are also verses that begin with the statement, "Thus says the Lord" which are quoted elsewhere with "Thus says the Holy Spirit."

We see therefore that the Bible teaches us that God is one, and that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the one and only true and living God. The difficulty is in the limitation of the human mind, and the wrong attempt to analyze God in the same way that we analyze matter—according to the laws of physics, chemistry and other sciences. These laws apply to matter, but should not and cannot be applied to God.

WHAT "FATHER AND SON" MEANS

No intelligent person would ever think that God took a wife or a mistress. Such a thought would be a terrible blasphemy against God. Every Christian abhors such a thought, for God is not a man like us. The Bible says, "God is Spirit, and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24). In other words, their worship should not be mere rituals and ordinances related to the flesh, or to places and positions, as the context of John 4:19-26 clearly shows.

The sonship of Christ is a spiritual relationship, and not a physical nor procreational one. It denotes oneness in nature and essence. It must be noticed that it was not Christians who called Christ the Son of God, but it was God Himself who called Jesus His Son:

1.When the Angel Gabriel was sent from God to the Virgin Mary, he said to her: "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a son, and shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest." And he also said to her: "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:28-35).

2.When Christ was baptized by John the Baptist (known by most Arabs as Yahia Ibn Zakarea), the heavens were opened and a voice came from heaven saying, "You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased" (Luke 3:22; Mark 1:11; Matthew 3:17).

3.About the above incident, John the Baptist said, "I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God" (John 1:34).

4.When Christ took three of His disciples to a high mountain, two prophets, Moses and Elijah, appeared to them: "While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, ‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!’ And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. But Jesus came and touched them and said, ‘Arise and do not be afraid’" (Matthew 17:1-8; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35).

There are many other verses in the Bible which declare that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, a sonship that denotes a divine relationship which is above human understanding. This is why the Bible says, "Great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16). Thus we see that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, sometimes referred to as the triune God, are all one God. This is a divine truth, and he who denies it makes God a liar. But he who believes it finds in it an eternal joy and blessing, as we will now see.

THE TRIUNE GOD AND MAN'S SALVATION

It is obvious that as far as man is concerned, the most important thing is for him to receive forgiveness of sins, so that he will go to heaven and not be cast into hell. God said of Himself, that He is "a just God and a Savior" (Isaiah 45:21). But how can God be just—that is, holy and righteous and one who must punish sin—and at the same time be a Savior who can deliver man from his sins and their punishment? In other words, how can He be perfectly just, and at the same time perfectly merciful?

Here the human mind is helpless. It does not have an answer. Will God forgive me and thus be merciful and compassionate, or will He punish me and be just but not merciful? It is impossible for men and angels together to find a solution to this dilemma. But God has the answer, and in His answer we see His wisdom and power. We see His love and perfect mercy as well as His perfect justice and holiness.

Human solutions to this question are all defective and lead to man's damnation, because sin is a very serious matter in God's sight. Sin is an insult to God because it is disobedience to Him. If you insult an ordinary person, you may be lightly punished. But if you insult a king or a president, your punishment is much more serious. How much worse will it be if you disobey God, whether by thought or word or deed? The idea that God will put the good deeds on one side of the scale, and the evil deeds on the other side to determine which is greater is totally wrong. First of all, it is wrong because good deeds are required of man, and they are not a favor to God. Good deeds do not erase offenses, neither in human laws nor in God's laws. Secondly, such an idea, if true, would require that we would know the weight of sin in the sight of God. We would need to know how much a lie weighs, how much each evil thought weighs, how much pride weighs, and finally how much do all our innumerable sins weigh. He who trusts in his good deeds to erase or outweigh his sins will only discover at the end that he is lost forever. What then is the solution to this problem, and how can God be "a just God and a Savior" at the same time? The answer is in the Incarnation of Christ.

THE INCARNATION OF CHRIST

We saw that the Holy Bible testifies that Christ is the Son of God, and we explained that this sonship is not a physical sonship, nor a result of procreation, because God is a Spirit. It is a spiritual and divine relationship that surpasses human understanding. But we must remember also that Christ became a perfect man, and said of Himself, "the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many" (Matthew 20:28). Thus we see that Christ came not merely to teach and do miracles, though He certainly did both. He came mainly to redeem us by dying on our behalf. This required that He become a Man, so that He could die for us. This is the reason for the Incarnation of Christ.

There are two reasons why no one else could have redeemed us. First, the redeemer has to be someone who never sinned, otherwise he has to bear his own punishment only. Christ is the only one who never sinned. All the true prophets were protected from making mistakes in religious teachings and prophecies, but not in their own personal lives. They all sinned. The prophet David said: "I acknowledge my transgressions, and my sin is ever before me. Against You, You only have I sinned, and done this evil in Your sight" (Psalm 51:3,4). But of Christ, the Holy Bible declares that He is "holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens" (Hebrews 7:26). It also says that He "committed no sin, nor was guile found in His mouth" (1 Peter 2:22). Then it says that He "knew no sin" (2 Corinthians 5:21), and that "He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin" (1 John 3:5). He is the only Redeemer; all others needed to be redeemed.

Secondly, Christ is not a mere prophet or apostle. He is "God manifest in the flesh"—both God and man. He is the Son of God, and the Son of Man. The value of His death therefore is unlimited. By His death He can redeem everyone that believes in Him: "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." (1 John 2:2). Christ is both God and Man. And of course, God cannot die. The One who died is the perfect Man, Jesus Christ, who pleased God in everything, and who said that He came "to give His life a ransom for many."

The death of Christ on our behalf is a definite fact that has at least four infallible proofs. First of all, the prophets spoke of it hundreds of years before Christ came. These prophecies are still in the Old Testament, which is the holy book of the Jews. They neither did nor could remove one word from it. Secondly, Christ told His disciples many times before His death, that the Jews will kill Him and that He will rise on the third day. Thirdly, it was recorded for us by eyewitnesses. Finally, the Bible, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, makes it clear that Christ's death is the only way for man's salvation.

Now we come to the role of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in man's salvation. The Bible says that "God so loved the world that He gave His only Son (Jesus Christ, to die for us) that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). Thus we see that the Father loves man and wants his salvation, and the Son willingly paid the price to attain that salvation. The Holy Spirit awakens man's conscience and convicts him of his sins (John 16:7-8), so that he will receive Christ as Savior. Thus God saves man through His love, but not at the expense of His holiness and justice. There is no salvation except that which is offered by God—Father, Son and Holy Spirit—the only true and living God.
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2011, 07:50:15 AM »

Professornoie you and i both know that Christianity and Islam share much common ground. Both trace their roots to Abraham.  Both believe in prophecy, God's messengers, revelation, scripture, the resurrection of dead, and the centrality of religious community. This last element is especially important. Both Christianity and Islam have a communitarian dimension; what the church is to Christianity the "umma" is to Islam.

Despite these significant similarities, however, these two world religions have a number of significant differences as well. I would like to comment on these, not to engage in any kind of polemic since i consider polemic a sign of religious immaturity, right luckkeyk! but to foster better understanding.  A true dialogue between religions can be built only on nuanced understanding and not caricature.

Lets discuss our differences.
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2011, 09:40:34 AM »

ISLAM,

THE TRUE RELIGION OF GOD

PART I

"He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion, that he make it overcome the religions all of them, though the polytheists may be averse." According to the Holy Qur-an 6:19 (the right Scripture for the Time)

1 In the above verse Allah (God) in the last days of this present world (wicked and infidel) states that he must destroy false religions with the true religion (Islam). It (Islam) must overcome all other religions. The verse also teaches us that Allah in the judgment of the world will not recognize any religion other than Islam.

2 Take to task all the learned teachers of religions, and they will admit that God is One and that He will have only one religion in the hereafter.

3 Search the Scriptures of the Bible and Holy Qur-an and be convinced. There are two other religions today that oppose the religion of peace (Islam) namely, Buddhism and Christianity. These two opposing forces will be removed from the people completely by the light of Islam, Truth, guided by Allah in the person of the Great Mahdi, Fard Muhammad, I am His apostle. It will come to pass that you will not even find a trace of them. Christianity is already dying a natural death. We want a religion of peace, freedom, justice and equality. We want it from the Divine Supreme Being Allah and not a religion prepared by the hand of His (Allah’s) enemies.

4 They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light though the unbelievers may be averse (Holy Qur-an 61:8). Regardless of the opponents’ efforts to put out the light of truth (Islam) today, their efforts will be a complete failure. Think over the slavery teachings of Christianity -- the three gods, the worship of Mary, the disciples of Jesus, the many gods of Buddhism, the incarnation taught by both and other ignorant practices. Islam teaches an eternal heaven for the righteous, for hell is not eternal.

5 These (heaven and hell) are not necessary places but conditions, Islam teaches that if a brother kills a brother, the murderer must be killed, or anyone that murders a Muslim.

6 The Christians go to war against each other daily, killing their own brothers and others. The righteous must be rid of such people. Make Islam to overcome all other religions whether the disbelievers like it or not. Our God is One God. Can One God believe in more than one religion and be true to Himself and others?

7 If the other religions were true religions, surely Allah (God) would not send an apostle to overcome them with another religion. "Is it other than Allah’s religion that they seek to follow and to Him submit whoever is in the heavens and earth, willingly or unwillingly" (Holy Qur-an 3:82). We all bear witness to the truth that everything of Allah’s creation obeys Him, regardless of size or numbers.

8 But the proud, wicked man of sin refuses to submit and goes about teaching ignorant people not to believe in Allah and His religion, Islam.

9 The true religion of Allah (God) is Islam (Holy Qur-an 3:18). The emblem of Islam represents the sun, moon and stars; the meaning is Freedom (Sun), Justice (Star), and Equality (Moon).

10 No other nation’s religion has the sun, moon, and stars as its emblem. No religion is worthwhile if its roots are not found in the universal order of things. No nation can use the sun, moon, and stars to represent their government or religion but the nation that owns it (the nation of Islam).

11 We are the sole owners of the earth. It was our father who made it. The prayer service of Islam is not equaled by any other religion -- five prayers a day made with the face turned in the direction of the sunrise.

12 Prayer is at sunrise, noon, mid-afternoon, sundown and before retiring. On awakening during the night, another prayer is made. In fact, two prayers should be said during the night, making a total of seven prayers a day. There is no worship of a Sunday or Sabbath in Islam. All the days are worship days. The Muslims wash and clean all exposed parts of their bodies before prayer early at the gray dawn of day.
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ISLAM,

THE TRUE RELIGION OF GOD

PART II

"Set yourself upright to the right religion before there comes from Allah the day which cannot be averted; on that day they shall become separated." (Holy Qur-an 30:43)

1 We are now living in the time mentioned above according to the Holy Qur-an. When we as a people should begin setting our faces upright to the religion in the right state and stop believing in the slave-master’s slavery religious teachings, which are not in the right state, then we shall be successful and the world will respect us.

2 Which one of these emblems represent a good religion, the cross or the Star and Crescent? To attract one to do good, you must have something of good. Our religion, Islam, has the best sign (the Crescent). There is no doubt about it. We have taken the best of everything for our own (the Sun, Moon and Stars); ever since it was created by our Father, we know the best. What can be more essential to our well-being than the Sun, Moon, and Stars?

3 The spiritual meaning of our emblem (the Crescent) is Freedom, Justice, and Equality, not that we "say" one thing and do otherwise; a Muslim tries to carry into practice what he preaches; not so the Christians. They "say" and do not. But after all, their religious emblem (the cross) and its meaning compare with the nature of the so-called Christians. By nature they are murderers. By nature they love to make slaves of others. By nature they are haters of the Black Nation, which loves freedom, justice and equality. It looks strange to see people accepting the cross as a sign of good religion.

4 The Ten Commandments which Moses gave to them (the white race) have never been practiced by them or those whom they teach. They (the white race) were condemned by Jesus as not obeying. Why should we be looking and begging for that which is good (freedom, justice and equality)! Islam is that right religion (which by nature they cannot give us).

5 According to the Holy Qur-an (30:30), one of the greatest teachings of brotherhood is laid down by us by the Prophet Muhammad in these words: "A Muslim is not a Muslim until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself." The old Christian religion has been the white man’s whip to lash the black man ever since it was organized. My people here in America are fast awakening to the slavery teachings of Christianity to the dislike of their enemies.

6 A few years ago the so-called Negroes could easily be frightened and worked up into emotion by the preacher, yelling and spitting out foam all over the pulpit, preaching hellfire after death and the dying of Jesus on the cross. He would paint an imaginary picture in the minds of the listeners -- of meeting some dead relative up in the heavens (sky) after death or mourn them into grief and sorrow. My people are leaving and rejecting such nonsense as they advance more and more educationally. After they have heard the truth of it all, that Allah has and is teaching me, they will not go near that slavery teaching. Their eyes must be opened to the truth at any price.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2011, 07:14:22 PM »

Professornoie you and i both know that Christianity and Islam share much common ground. Both trace their roots to Abraham.  Both believe in prophecy, God's messengers, revelation, scripture, the resurrection of dead, and the centrality of religious community. This last element is especially important. Both Christianity and Islam have a communitarian dimension; what the church is to Christianity the "umma" is to Islam.

Despite these significant similarities, however, these two world religions have a number of significant differences as well. I would like to comment on these, not to engage in any kind of polemic since i consider polemic a sign of religious immaturity, right luckkeyk! but to foster better understanding. A true dialogue between religions can be built only on nuanced understanding and not caricature.

Lets discuss our differences.


Luckkeyk said it all.
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Luckkeyk said it all.
And here I though you were the professorNore. Both of you need to reread the above statement I posted slowly, perhaps it will register the second time around.

Once again true religion must explain, Why is God hidden? Why is man in misery? How can man know God? Could you or your student Luckkeyk explain those three questions. Instead of being religious immature.
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2011, 09:02:36 PM »

Brothers and sisters, this may sound strange to you, but the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us that it has been sixty-six trillion (66,000,000,000,000) years since the knowledge of God was made known to the public. Before that, the public knew God and knew the Reality of God. But since that time, God hid His Face from humanity and has remained a secret. It is the most carefully guarded of all secrets: The Knowledge of God. Why would God hide Himself from human beings?
Long before there was a white man on this Earth, we had problems with ourselves. I do not want you to think the white man is the source of all of our problems. The source of all our problems is a problem within Self. The problem within Self is the negative side of the original life and it became manifest when one of our own scientists became frustrated that he could not force his will on the people and decided to destroy the whole human family. It was then that God hid Himself from man until the proper time. The scripture says, "in the fullness of time, He came." The scripture says, "After the workings of Satan, God comes."
There is a problem in us, original people, and God would not come and show Himself and make Himself manifest until everything in us was fully exposed to us. Then, when we are fully exposed and all of our weaknesses made manifest, the human being could be perfected. Only then can you make a perfect human being. In the scriptures, Jesus says, "Be ye perfect as I am perfect." But there was no perfection until the Coming of this Person that the Bible calls Jesus and the Qur'an calls Muhammad. Allah says, in the Holy Qur'an,
"This day have I perfected for you your religion" {your nature, your being}" and I have chosen for you Islam as your religion."

The Muslims say to the Christians, "If you don't accept Islam, we are through with you, because the Qur'an says you have to accept Islam." Muslims, it means that all of us must accept religion, not in name, but we must all bow down and submit our will to do the Will of God, or we will never be accepted by God. You and I are not equal to God; we don't know what He knows, therefore He demands of us obedience.
Dear brothers and sisters, the Muslims and Christians have been at odds with each other over Jesus and the concept of God. We want to try and straighten all of this out with the Help of God.
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us that God Himself is not begotten. The Christians say, "God had a son from a virgin." Don't be angry with me. This is our teaching, but do we understand it? Virgins do not conceive. If a virgin conceives, she is no longer a virgin.
But the scriptures say, "And a virgin shall conceive." How did she conceive? The scriptures say, "The Holy Ghost came upon her." It uses the word, "upon". Who is the Holy Ghost? Your daughter better not come home to you and tell you she was walking by the church and a ghost came out and that is why she is pregnant, some body caused it. You don't say something caused it, you say somebody, because in order to create life there must be the germ and the sperm of life. The sperm of life is always carried in the male.
God, in the beginning, allowed everything to create after its own kind. If a ghost had a baby, the baby would have to be a ghost. Since the baby was a human being of flesh and blood, and the mother carried it in the womb, with fainting and pain for nine months, you have to bear witness there was a father there, It is written in your Bible, but very subtly:
"Concerning His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, who was made of the seed of David according to the flesh, And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of Holiness" {Romans 1: 2,3}
Joseph was of the lineage of David. Any father can produce flesh and blood, but only God can make a prophet. Only God can father the mind into the spirit of righteousness. No earthly father can give you that. No earthly father can pass that on; that comes from your growth into the Mind, Wisdom and Will of God. Jesus is called the "Son of God", but not because God was in Palestine getting little virgin girls pregnant. Reverend, that is the wrong way to understand the scriptures.
The Jews knew Jesus and the Jews asked, "Is this the carpenter's son?" God is not a carpenter. He is the Master Builder. They said to Jesus, "We are not born of fornication." There were some extenuating circumstances around the birth of Jesus, like there are extenuating circumstances around most of our births. The Bible says, "Can any good come out of Nazareth?" The world is asking today, "Can anything good come up out of Black people?" The world is going to be shocked when it finds out what is coming up out of this Nazareth. I am trying to keep these points tied together.
I want to go back to God being "not begotten." The Holy Qur'an says, "He begets not, nor is He begotten." The Muslims say this is why God could never be a human being, because all human beings are "begotten".
I want you to follow this very carefully. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us that before there was a sun, moon and star, before there was light, God was Self-Created. God created Himself out of the material of darkness. Before there was anything there was darkness, but it was a substantive darkness. What we see at night is not real darkness--it is called the absence of light because we are just in the shadow of the Earth. We live in a Universe of Light, where once there was total darkness. But matter was in the darkness. Even though matter was in the darkness, it is considered nothing, because it was without aim and purpose, Anything without aim and purpose is considered nothing.
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us that electricity is the most mysterious force because no one knows its origin. When you have electricity and matter in the darkness, you can produce the first germ of life. Whatever happened with electricity and matter, the first atom of life sparked in the darkness. There is intelligence in the life-germ. Our own beginning bears witness to the beginning of the Universe. The very secret of how the Universe began is wrapped up in how you and I began.
You don't know the Universe, because you don't know God, because you don't know yourself.
Look at the sperm. There is intelligence in the sperm; it knows exactly what it want to do: it goes straight for the egg; that is intelligence. The sperm does not have a brain, but it has a head and a tail. When the sperm makes contact, it's the first cell of life. That cell starts looking for a firm resting place, then it builds a clot. There is intelligence in that clot. Then the cells produce brain. That's the firs thing formed in the new life. Without a head, you don't need arms. The thing that is going to direct the arms has to be first. It is the head that calls the arms and feet into existence.
This is why the white man works to destroy your leaders. Without a head, you cannot call a body into existence. That is why you are always without organization: you never have leadership. Your leadership comes up and when they spot it as good leadership, they wipe it out.
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us that God had to develop brain in order to think through darkness. It took pain and eons of time for God to build Himself up in the darkness. He was Light of Himself and had Light in Himself. Since the basis of His Life is electricity, He had Light in Himself. From His own Brain, He envisioned Sun and then called it into existence.
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said Allah formed Himself--not from a mother, but out of the dark womb of space. Space and the darkness of it became His womb and He came out of that darkness.
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This is why the white man works to destroy your leaders. Without a head, you cannot call a body into existence. That is why you are always without organization: you never have leadership. Your leadership comes up and when they spot it as good leadership, they wipe it out.
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us that God had to develop brain in order to think through darkness. It took pain and eons of time for God to build Himself up in the darkness. He was Light of Himself and had Light in Himself. Since the basis of His Life is electricity, He had Light in Himself. From His own Brain, He envisioned Sun and then called it into existence.
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said Allah formed Himself--not from a mother, but out of the dark womb of space. Space and the darkness of it became His womb and He came out of that darkness.
Is this what your Quran is teaching you? GOD give you a brain to discerned truth from when someone is teaching you BS. I think your Muhammad forgot to mention that GOD IS LOVE!! From the rubbish you posted above I gather that your Quran/the teacher Muhammad is full of hatred.
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I is very sad, Be careful  what you ask for. You ask for the truth and that is your response when get it. Could you prove otherwise.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, for 44 years, taught us that God is not a mystery. He is not a spirit, He is not a spook, God is real. He is a real live human being, differing from you and me only in that he is Supreme in Knowledge, Wisdom, Understanding and Power. This is what The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us.
When I met the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, I met my father. He fathered me in knowledge, wisdom and understanding. He brought out of me what The Creator had put in me for the service of my people. If I am anything of value today, it is because I had a good father, a good example and a good teacher. And so I stand before the world today, to challenge the scholarship of the world on the most important of all subjects: "WHO IS GOD?"
The Scholars of the world of religion-- Jews, Christians, Muslims, whatever your religious persuasion may be-- we have to know today Who God is that we not make a mistake and serve other than Him.
The Bible teaches us that God made man in His own image and His own likeness. It teaches us that He breathes, sorrows, sees and hears, loves and hates. The stench of wickedness reaches His nostrils. The Bible teaches us that Abraham met Him in the plains of Mamre. Three men came to Abraham and the Bible declares that one of them was the Lord. Sarah came out of her tent and said, "Lord, if I found favour, pass not away. Lord, if you are hungry, I will feed you. Sit down, Lord, it you are tired." How can you feed a spirit? How can you sit down if you have nothing to sit down on? I am not finished with the Bible. It says that Enoch walked with God. Moses walked with Him and spoke with Him face to face as a man speaketh to his friend. All throughout the Bible, we are taught of a man, not some spook or formless spirit.
What about the Holy Qur'an? The Holy Qur'an uses the personal pronoun "I". The "I" belongs to whom? It uses the soft pronoun "We". Does God have associates? Does He have partners? Why say "We"? God Himself revealed the book and knows best the language. Why did He use the language of a human being?
Who is God? The Attributes in the Holy Qur'an are not the Attributes of a Spirit, they are the Attributes of man in whom the Spirit dwells. Allah is the Beneficent, the Merciful, the Powerful, the Life-Giver, the Sustainer, the Securer, the Destroyer.
I shall never take that point from the back page of the newspaper, regardless to how many scholars don't like it. I visited Mecca and sat with the scholars. This (Point Number 12) was the main issue we wrangled over. When we finished, the scholars shut their mouths. They never had heard an exposition like that. What I gave to them, I am giving to you. Mecca could not defeat the argument I presented, though I am born in America and have never been taught in any Islamic school by scholars or scientists. I was taught by the unlearned one, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.  Now you tell me. WHO IS GOD?
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2011, 03:12:33 PM »

Allah came in the person of Master Fard Muhammad
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Allah came in the person of Master Fard Muhammad
You still have not answered the three questions post above. Ok, just answer this one.

Is God (Allah) a God of love?
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And here I though you were the professorNore. Both of you need to reread the above statement I posted slowly, perhaps it will register the second time around.

Once again true religion must explain, Why is God hidden? Why is man in misery? How can man know God? Could you or your student Luckkeyk explain those three questions. Instead of being religious immature.

Why is God hidden?
Brothers and sisters, this may sound strange to you, but the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught us that it has been sixty-six trillion (66,000,000,000,000) years since the knowledge of God was made known to the public. Before that, the public knew God and knew the Reality of God. But since that time, God hid His Face from humanity and has remained a secret. It is the most carefully guarded of all secrets: The Knowledge of God. Why would God hide Himself from human beings?
There is a problem in us, original people, and God would not come and show Himself and make Himself manifest until everything in us was fully exposed to us. Then, when we are fully exposed and all of our weaknesses made manifest, the human being could be perfected. Only then can you make a perfect human being. In the scriptures, Jesus says, "Be ye perfect as I am perfect." But there was no perfection until the Coming of this Person that the Bible calls Jesus and the Qur'an calls Muhammad. Allah says, in the Holy Qur'an,
"This day have I perfected for you your religion" {your nature, your being}" and I have chosen for you Islam as your religion.

Why is man in misery?
"Satan said to Allah, 'Because you have caused me to remain disappointed, I am going to come after them (meaning your people) in Your straight path. I will come from before them, behind them, from their left side and from their right side. You will not find most of them thankful. I will make all of them deviate.' Allah said to Satan, 'Whosoever follows you, I will certainly fill hell with you all.' In another place in the Holy Qur'an, Allah says, 'You will get all except my purified ones.'"
The reason you are far away from God is because of your attitude toward women. You will never find God and you will never grow to honor God, as long as you are a mistreater and disrespecter of women. The woman is the secret and she contains the secret. In the Bible, Sampson put it in crude language, saying, "If you had not plowed with my heifer, you would not have learned the secret of my riddle." The riddle has been with God, but the secret of the riddle is in woman, and unless and until we become better acquainted with who she is, you may never see who you are.
In the 12th Chapter of the Book of Revelation, there is an extraordinary woman:

You still have not answered the three questions post above. Ok, just answer this one.

Is God (Allah) a God of love?

YES.  You say of yourself, "I love everybody. " This cannot be true. Love for self comes first. The Bible, the book that you claim to believe says, "Love the brotherhood" (I Peter 2:17), "Love one another" (John 15:17). Love of self comes first. The one who loves everybody is the one who does not love anyone. This is the false teaching of the Christians for the Christians war against Christians.They have the Bible so twisted by adding in and taking out of the truth that it takes only God or one whom God has given the knowledge of the Book to understand it.

The Bible puts more stress upon the "love for the thy neighbor" than the "love for the brother." When asked "Who is my neighbor?" The answer was contrary and incorrect. Jesus' answer was that of two men who were on a journey. They were not from the same place. One was from Jerusalem, the other one was a Samaritan. The Samaritan came to where the man from Jerusalem lay wounded by the robbers who had stripped him of his possessions. The Samaritan showed sympathy for the fellow traveler. (He was not a neighbor in the sense of the word. A neighbor can be an enemy. ) Many enemies live in the same neighborhood of a good neighbor. But, the answer that Jesus gave was a futile one which can could be classified as a parable of the so-called Negroes and their slave-masters. 
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The Bible puts more stress upon the "love for the thy neighbor" than the "love for the brother. " When asked "Who is my neighbor?" The answer was contrary and incorrect. Jesus' answer was that of two men who were on a journey. They were not from the same place. One was from Jerusalem, the other one was a Samaritan. The Samaritan came to where the man from Jerusalem lay wounded by the robbers who had stripped him of his possessions. The Samaritan showed sympathy for the fellow traveler. (He was not a neighbor in the sense of the word. A neighbor can be an enemy.) Many enemies live in the same neighborhood of a good neighbor. But, the answer that Jesus gave was a futile one which can could be classified as a parable of the so-called Negroes and their slave-masters.
First let me educate you about the 'good Samaritan'. Jesus tells a story in response to the question "Who is my neighbour?". A man his been attacked and left half-dead on the street and both a jewish priest and a levite pass the victim by. However, a Samaritan stops to tend his wounds and then takes him on his donkey to an inn where he pays for him to be looked after. Jesus ends the parable by posing the question back at the expert of Jewish law by asking him who was the neighbour to the man. "The one who had mercy on him." is the reply. Jesus commands him to go and do the same. Luke 10:30-37
 
This story is NOT ABOUT SLAVERY, it not just about showing compassion to people. Jews only saw other Jews as their neighbours. Jesus challenges this assumption, and exhorts us to show compassion on all, regardless of class, colour or creed. So you see ProfessorNore to understand this fully, we need to think of a group that may be despised or ostracized in our society. In this parable it is these people who have the higher ethical standard than our own, for these are the ones that go out of their way to show mercy.

Martin Luther King often referred to the story of the Good Samaritan. In "A time to break silence" King develops the call of Christ to society at large:

"On the one hand we are called to play the good Samaritan on life's roadside; but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring".

Second, part of the sanctification process that God would like to start with each and everyone of us is to make sure that our minds get properly renewed according the knowledge and revelation that is in His Word. In other words ProfessorNore, we have to learn how to develop right thinking in our minds and in our thought process.

One of the very first areas that you will really need to get a grip on is to learn that God is no respecter of persons, Romans 2:11. What this means is that every single man and woman He has ever created is on an equal footing with Him. What this means is that He has an equal and unconditional love for each person He has ever created and He is not going to be playing favorites with anyone.

I am going to elaborate a bit more on this later...class dismiss
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2011, 09:40:28 AM »

Chapter 109:
Al-Kafirun — The Disbelievers:
Revealed at Makkah: 6 verses
English Translation of the Holy Quran by Maulana Muhammad Ali

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

109:1 Say: O disbelievers,

109:2 I serve not what you serve,

109:3 Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve,

109:4 Nor shall I serve that which ye serve,

109:5 Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve.

109:6 For you is your recompense and for me my recompense.
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2011, 11:49:51 AM »

Micah 6:8
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?


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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2011, 01:30:30 PM »

Professor. i am going to say the same thing you said to to me. I see you as a sheep among wolves, and as a Brother i would like for you to be wise as a serpent and harmless as a DOVE.
 I am not going to tell you not to force  it.and let it go. Because I know who you are and what Allah has put in your Heart, Just stay strong Brother, and may Allah Protect and Guide in your Mission.
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Professor. i am going to say the same thing you said to to me. I see you as a sheep among wolves, and as a Brother i would like for you to be wise as a serpent and harmless as a DOVE.
 I am not going to tell you not to force  it.and let it go. Because I who you are and what Allah has put in your Heart, Just stay strong Brother, and may Allah Protect and Guide in your Mission.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Where there is no revelation, people cast off restraint; but blessed are those who heed wisdom's instruction.
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YES.  You say of yourself, "I love everybody. " This cannot be true. Love for self comes first. The Bible, the book that you claim to believe says, "Love the brotherhood" (I Peter 2:17),

1 Peter 2:17
King James Version (KJV)
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Look, I don't expect you nor Elijah Muhammad to comprehend what it is that you don't believe in.

Honor all men. Who are all men? All men. The widest general humanitarian sphere. All men have the image of God in them, to some degree they are due some honor universally. And, of course, there were slaves in the Roman Empire, people saw them as non-persons with no rights. What Peter is saying is every variety of person deserves honor and respect, whether high or low, on the authority letter, high or low on the strata of society, everybody is worthy to be honored as created in the image of God.

Now there is different levels of honor for different levels of social structure but all men are to be honored. As Christians, we ought to be leading the parade to honor all men to the level of honor that they deserve. That doesn't mean we agree with everything they do. That doesn't mean we like everything they do. That doesn't mean that we have respect for anything they do. But as Christians we want to show that we have a proper respect for that person is the creation of God.

"Love the brotherhood". Who is that? That's EVERYONE READING this. Love the brotherhood. Honor all men, those come together, it's put right alongside honor all men which has equal weight in this text.

"Fear God". When you fear God you say, "God, I'm going to do what You said is right even though I don't understand what's going on, but I'm going to leave it to You to fix it up in the time when You're ready." God designed your role as a citizen in the world and you better fear Him enough to understand the repercussions of your disobedience and leave the solutions with Him.

Honor all men, Love the brotherhood, Fear God and "Honor the king". Show respect for whoever the ruling reigning source of authority is. In our case it's not a king, it's a combination of several entities, but we are to honor the leadership.

Proverbs 24:21 -22: My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change: For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?

Honor all men, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king. That's the application of the principles of citizenship.

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"Love one another" (John 15:17). Love of self comes first. The one who loves everybody is the one who does not love anyone. This is the false teaching of the Christians for the Christians war against Christians.They have the Bible so twisted by adding in and taking out of the truth that it takes only God or one whom God has given the knowledge of the Book to understand it.
Really! Prove it! Don't give me Elijah Muhammad version/words as proof. Give me circumstantial evidence?


The Bible puts more stress upon the "love for the thy neighbor" than the "love for the brother." When asked "Who is my neighbor?" The answer was contrary and incorrect. Jesus' answer was that of two men who were on a journey. They were not from the same place. One was from Jerusalem, the other one was a Samaritan. The Samaritan came to where the man from Jerusalem lay wounded by the robbers who had stripped him of his possessions. The Samaritan showed sympathy for the fellow traveler. (He was not a neighbor in the sense of the word. A neighbor can be an enemy. ) Many enemies live in the same neighborhood of a good neighbor. But, the answer that Jesus gave was a futile one which can could be classified as a parable of the so-called Negroes and their slave-masters.
First the word 'brother' here is not referring to your sibling. ARE we CLEAR on that?

Like the unselfish Samaritan man of Jesus' parable, we are called to extend our love and concern to all persons everywhere, as OUR NEIGHBOURS. We should not exclude anyone, yes even (DE  MASSA, slave-masters...hmm that's hard for you to understand) or any group because of social status, a supposed character fault, religious difference, racial difference, ethnic difference, citizenship difference, etc. Is it hard to depict from above WHO is YOUR NEIGHBOUR? Come on, am I dealing with a 7 year old here!

Think on this:

1 John 4:20
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If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

NOTE: Again the word "brother" in the scripture above is not talking about sibling. Anyone who's reading this right now is my NEIGHBOUR, BROTHER and SISTER and I LOVE them just as how I love myself, that includes YOU too ProfessorNoie.
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2011, 07:19:47 PM »

The Integration That Produces Separation

“Freedom, do you think we should integrate, or do you think we should separate? Or do you think we should have some of both?” How is that possible? You know, The Enemy is so smart, because he uses a trick called “integration.” This “integration” that we now have: This is not what Dr. King and the Civil Rights Movement was about! They didn't want “nice relationships with White folk” as opposed to equal justice under the law and fair treatment, which was what Dr. King was about.

Within the word “integration” you'll find the prefix integer. What is an “integer”? In Mathematics, the meaning of an integer states: “The whole is equal to the sum of its parts,” meaning you have to “belong to” in order to be “a part of.” So if I've got eight slices of bean pie, then I've got a whole pie! But if I've got six slices of bean, and two slices of apple, I don't have a “whole” pie, because the two parts that are apple don't belong with the six parts that are bean. So if the whole is equal to the sum of its parts, you've got to belong to in order to be a part of.

Question: Do you really belong? Well, what kind of integration do you have? Is it that you now can sleep with White women and men, and they don't kill you as quick as they used to? Now we have a lot of mixed marriages, or mixed “sleep-ins,” and mixed babies, right? But that's not the integration that Dr. King was talking about.

Now let me tell you what real integration is: Here's a man and woman, two different beings; maybe of the same race even, same ethnicity. When that sperm is emitted, and it finds the egg; and the first cell of life is created, the body wants to reject it, because it's a foreign entity in your body. But the sperm that has now met the egg, and has become the first cell of life, the Qur'an said it has to find a “firm resting place.”

So now, the cell of life clings to the walls of the uterus, and holds on against rejection. After a while, rejection stops, acceptance comes, and the new life is growing within the womb of a life that's already been here, drawing from that life to build up its own life.

It has become a part of, but it is growing into something independent; that one day after development, it is going to breathe on its own, it's going to demand to come forth out of the womb, and the umbilical cord has to be cut!

And then the baby has to be washed and swaddled and salted; and then grows into a new creature independent from, separated from, the mother out of which it came! That's integration that produces separation!
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2011, 07:01:44 AM »

I think you and Farrakhan need to read Proverbs 18
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18:100 And We shall bring forth hell, exposed to view, on that day before the disbelievers,

18:101 Whose eyes were under a cover from My Reminder, and they could not bear to hear.

18:102 Do those who disbelieve think that they can take My servants to be friends besides Me? Surely We have prepared hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers.

18:103 Say: Shall We inform you who are the greatest losers in respect of deeds?

18:104 Those whose effort goes astray in this world’s life, and they think that they are making good manufactures.

18:105 Those are they who disbelieve in the messages of their Lord and meeting with Him, so their works are vain. Nor shall We set up a balance for them on the day of Resurrection.

18:106 That is their reward — hell, because they disbelieved and held My messages and My messengers in mockery.

18:107 As for those who believe and do good deeds, for them are Gardens of Paradise, an entertainment,

18:108 To abide therein; they will not desire removal therefrom.

18:109 Say: If the sea were ink for the words of my Lord, the sea would surely be exhausted before the words of my Lord were exhausted, though We brought the like of it to add (thereto).

18:110 Say: I am only a mortal like you — it is revealed to me that your God is one God. So whoever hopes to meet his Lord, he should do good deeds, and join no one in the service of his Lord
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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2011, 09:37:06 AM »

By Rafique

THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD
The Holy Bible, which is the inspired Word of God that never has been nor ever will be changed, testifies that there is only one God. It is a well-known fact that the Bible is the oldest book in existence. Thus, if any other book is found that testifies that God is one, the Bible has preceded it in asserting this fact.

Who is Rafique? It sound like a Pakistani person, which means that he should be well aware that the oldest religious text on earth is not the Bible but the Hindu text of the Vedas or possible the Epic of Gilgamesh.
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Who is Rafique? It sound like a Pakistani person, which means that he should be well aware that the oldest religious text on earth is not the Bible but the Hindu text of the Vedas or possible the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Rafique could be a Pakistani / a Jew. He's middle eastern, certainly not African 
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Proverbs 18
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1 A man who isolates himself seeks his own desire; He rages against all wise judgment.

2 A fool has no delight in understanding, But in expressing his own heart.

3 When the wicked comes, contempt comes also; And with dishonor comes reproach.

4 The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters; The wellspring of wisdom is a flowing brook.

5 It is not good to show partiality to the wicked, Or to overthrow the righteous in judgment.

6 A fool’s lips enter into contention, And his mouth calls for blows.

7 A fool’s mouth is his destruction, And his lips are the snare of his soul.

8 The words of a talebearer are like tasty trifles, And they go down into the inmost body.

9 He who is slothful in his work Is a brother to him who is a great destroyer.

10 The name of the Lord is a strong tower; The righteous run to it and are safe.

11 The rich man’s wealth is his strong city, And like a high wall in his own esteem.

12 Before destruction the heart of a man is haughty, And before honor is humility.

13 He who answers a matter before he hears it, It is folly and shame to him.

14 The spirit of a man will sustain him in sickness, But who can bear a broken spirit?

15 The heart of the prudent acquires knowledge, And the ear of the wise seeks knowledge.

16 A man’s gift makes room for him, And brings him before great men.

17 The first one to plead his cause seems right, Until his neighbor comes and examines him.

18 Casting lots causes contentions to cease, And keeps the mighty apart.

19 A brother offended is harder to win than a strong city, And contentions are like the bars of a castle.

20 A man’s stomach shall be satisfied from the fruit of his mouth; From the produce of his lips he shall be filled.

21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those who love it will eat its fruit.

22 He who finds a wife finds a good thing, And obtains favor from the Lord.

23 The poor man uses entreaties, But the rich answers roughly.

24 A man who has friends must himself be friendly, But there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother.

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